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isPermaLink="false">https://www.katytalento.com/p/follow-your-happy</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Katy Talento ND ScM]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2026 11:00:41 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!dq0S!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffcc76e06-279f-486a-a88a-380e6db40c30_1456x1696.jpeg" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!dq0S!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffcc76e06-279f-486a-a88a-380e6db40c30_1456x1696.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Maddie Traylor spends her days helping health care professionals figure out where they&#8217;ll actually be happy at work.</p><p>So when she had me on <em>Healthy Careers</em>, we started with the obvious question:</p><p>How exactly does one person go from epidemiologist to five Senate offices, a convent, the White House, naturopathy, and eventually building health plans?</p><p><em>There was no master plan.</em></p><p>I started in epidemiology because I loved medicine but hated the lab. I read <em>The Hot Zone</em>, discovered there was a field that combined medicine with statistics and social science, and thought: <em>That&#8217;s it.</em></p><p>Then I lived on Capitol Hill, went to church on Capitol Hill, and somebody eventually figured out I knew public health and was a Republican.</p><p>That was apparently rare enough to get me hired by the Senate.</p><p>I loved it.</p><p>I worked for five senators. Then I left to become a nun.</p><h3>Yes, really.</h3><p>I&#8217;d become Catholic while working in the Senate and wanted a radical life. Religious life was beautiful, but eventually I realized it wasn&#8217;t mine.</p><p>So I left.</p><p>The nuns were incredibly gracious. They&#8217;re still in my life. Years later, they became some of my first health plan clients. They sang me down the aisle at my wedding, Sound-of-Music style. </p><p>Then I went back to politics.</p><p>One of my old Senate colleagues joined the Trump campaign in 2016. I saw him looking disheveled, sleep deprived, and like he desperately needed help.</p><p>So I helped.</p><p>That turned into the campaign, then the transition, then the White House.</p><h3>None of these moves looked particularly logical from the outside. But each one made sense when I was standing in it.</h3><p>And I think that&#8217;s part of what Maddie means by finding your happy. Sometimes the safe choice isn&#8217;t actually the one that makes you smile.</p><p>She sees that every day with physicians and PAs.</p><p>Plenty of clinicians finish training and choose the employed model because it feels safe. After eight years of hell, they just want a job without pressure where they can doctor people.</p><p>Understandable.</p><p>Then they get inside and discover all the crap that comes with the &#8220;safe&#8221; job - and how many of the incentives get in the way of doctoring people.</p><p>If they took on the risk and stress of independence, two or four years from now, some of them might be way happier.</p><p>The catch is volume: independence only works if patients walk through the door. That&#8217;s where employers can change the equation.</p><p>When we tell a direct primary care doctor we&#8217;ve got 2,000 new patients for them, it can make their day. Suddenly they may have enough volume to hire the buddy who is still stuck in the system.</p><p>It works for specialists too.</p><p>We have a gastroenterologist in Kansas City who wanted to be the GI doctor for one of our employers. He gave us a great rate, and now he does the colonoscopies, office visits, and surgeries for that group.</p><p>Depending on how many employers in a community get involved, you can change specialists&#8217; lives and help them stay independent.</p><p>It&#8217;s not easy. It&#8217;s whack-a-mole. The PBMs, pharma companies, hospital systems, and carriers keep finding ways around what we do, and we keep chasing each other around the business.</p><p><em>But I can sleep at night.</em></p><p>When I left the White House, most people with my r&#233;sum&#233; could have gone to work for industry. I couldn&#8217;t do it. Everything in health care looked apocalyptic to me except this one little community of guerrilla-style benefits advisers trying to build something different. So I glommed on and made them teach me.</p><p>It&#8217;s hard every day, but it&#8217;s worth the effort. Maybe that&#8217;s what I&#8217;ve been doing all along. Just following the thing that still lets me recognize myself when I get there.</p><p>Sometimes that led to the Senate. Once it led to a convent. Eventually it led here. Maybe this is my last pivot. Maybe there are more on the way. Time will tell. And that&#8217;s okay.</p><p>Give my conversation with Maddie a watch. 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It Was Meant for Employers.]]></title><description><![CDATA[Troy Reichert and Dr. Jonathan Bushman had me on Patients Win to talk about how price transparency really happened, why cash pay still can&#8217;t scale, and what finally breaks it open.]]></description><link>https://www.katytalento.com/p/price-transparency-was-never-meant</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.katytalento.com/p/price-transparency-was-never-meant</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Katy Talento ND ScM]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2026 12:47:18 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!F_x4!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F196aff76-1160-4308-9c15-3d169238e7c2_1672x940.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" 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fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Actual beach-ad from my Labor Day family trip - no doubt funded by PatientRightsAdvocate.org</figcaption></figure></div><p>When we were fighting for price transparency inside the White House, I heard one argument constantly: patients aren&#8217;t going to shop for health care.</p><p>They were right. </p><p>They were just wrong about why it mattered.</p><p>Patients were never the audience. Employers were.</p><p>Troy Reichert and Dr. Jonathan Bushman host Patients Win for the people who buy health care: CHROs, CFOs, brokers, and physicians. They gave me the chance to tell the story of how we got here.</p><p>It starts with my old boss, Senator Tom Coburn.</p><p>Jonathan knew him too. In 2007, as a medical student, he invited Coburn to speak about physicians in politics. Coburn pulled a card out of his wallet, preloaded to buy health care, and said everyone needs one.</p><p>Nineteen years later, we&#8217;re still building the system where that idea works.</p><p>Many years after that visit, Cynthia Fisher, who runs PatientRightsAdvocate.org, the powerhouse funding the fight for transparent prices, figured out that the only way to get a meeting with me in the White House was to bring Tom Coburn. </p><p>Well, it worked. </p><p>I sat there planning how to say no, and halfway through I caught myself thinking:</p><p><em>This is the right thing to do. Figure out how to say yes.</em></p><p>And so it began. What followed was the real fight. </p><p>White House economists argued that price competition wouldn&#8217;t lower prices, so we held a journal club to walk them through the literature. A little guerrilla warfare got it into the State of the Union. The hospitals sued us twice and got laughed out of court twice.</p><p>Now vendors are turning that data into something employers can use to pick a network or check whether a direct contract is fair.</p><p>The next fight is cash pay at scale.</p><p>Jonathan is already living a version of it. His direct primary care practice grew during COVID while everyone else was suffering, because patients could reach him. He walked one woman through a colorectal cancer diagnosis, a surgical consult, and a hospital admission entirely by phone. Six months later, she introduced herself in his exam room. He recognized her voice.</p><p>HSAs won&#8217;t get the rest of us there. They sit on top of a high-deductible plan paying the plan&#8217;s negotiated rate, and cash you pay doesn&#8217;t count toward your deductible. Cash pay scales when employers pay cash, and two things block that. Most TPAs run on dinosaur claims systems, though two or three can handle cash now. And the network contracts make us submit a list of exceptions the network can veto. I&#8217;d argue those provisions violate the Sherman Act, and DOJ should take a hard look.</p><p>Jonathan asked me what it takes for patients to win consistently.</p><p><em>My answer:  Don&#8217;t be a patient. </em></p><p>We&#8217;ve never been sicker, fatter, sadder, or more medicated. Jonathan knows what I mean. He sees it daily. <br><br>The Latin word for doctor means teacher. Doctors could stand to do more of it. </p><p>Check it out here.  </p><div id="youtube2-gTuvBw35Cm0" class="youtube-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;videoId&quot;:&quot;gTuvBw35Cm0&quot;,&quot;startTime&quot;:null,&quot;endTime&quot;:null}" data-component-name="Youtube2ToDOM"><div class="youtube-inner"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/gTuvBw35Cm0?rel=0&amp;autoplay=0&amp;showinfo=0&amp;enablejsapi=0" frameborder="0" loading="lazy" gesture="media" allow="autoplay; fullscreen" allowautoplay="true" allowfullscreen="true" width="728" height="409"></iframe></div></div><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.katytalento.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Join the Revolution</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><p></p><div><hr></div>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Bossy, Rebellious, and Ungovernable]]></title><description><![CDATA[Michael O'Brien is talking to 102 Americans the celebrate the country's 250th birthday year. I got to be one of the Virginians.]]></description><link>https://www.katytalento.com/p/bossy-rebellious-and-ungovernable</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.katytalento.com/p/bossy-rebellious-and-ungovernable</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Katy Talento ND ScM]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2026 14:16:37 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!yy8q!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff120481d-0bb4-404f-b6a1-35fbb59ddc3f_4284x3213.jpeg" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!yy8q!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff120481d-0bb4-404f-b6a1-35fbb59ddc3f_4284x3213.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div 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His wife drove the RV. Two Springer Spaniels rode shotgun.</p><p>Michael isn&#8217;t your average cyclist. He survived a near-death cycling accident and got right back on the bike. So when he decided to cross the country again for America&#8217;s 250th, this time by conversation, of course he went big.</p><p>His podcast, Whole Again, is running a series called <em>A Perfectly Imperfect Union</em>: at least two people from every state and D.C. </p><p><span class="mention-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Tiffany Ryder&quot;,&quot;id&quot;:69254384,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;user&quot;,&quot;url&quot;:null,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/958aef84-5f47-449e-8ba7-00fb53afb2e8_1881x1881.jpeg&quot;,&quot;uuid&quot;:&quot;d9d20b58-ee3b-4fc8-b6ea-c8f36d5a58ea&quot;}" data-component-name="MentionToDOM"></span> put us together, and I got to talk about my Commonwealth.</p><p>Virginia has the Appalachian Trail and the Atlantic, and I refuse to choose. There&#8217;s a Union cemetery across the street from my house, in a town that leaned loyalist during the Revolution and wasn&#8217;t so civil during the Civil War. </p><p>We have always been bossy, rebellious, and ungovernable. </p><p><em>I love it here.</em></p><p>America is the only country founded on an idea. Not a tribe, not a religion, not a patch of dirt. An idea, pushed forward by crazy people taking crazy chances.</p><p>My husband was born in Italy and came here as a baby. He says the people who leave the old world and the people who stay are not the same - I tend to agree with him. </p><p>That wild streak is our greatest strength and our greatest weakness.</p><h3>We&#8217;re all a little nuts.</h3><p>The series runs on kintsugi, the Japanese art of repairing broken pottery with gold so the cracks become part of the beauty.</p><p>Michael asked what I would repair.</p><p>Medicine.</p><p>Pull it out of the corporatocracy and back into an economy of healing that works with nature instead of trying to conquer it.</p><p>Every species has species-specific requirements. Real food. Sleep. Sunlight. Movement. Each other.</p><p>Almost none of us are living them, and we&#8217;re breaking apart because of it.</p><p>Then came the question from the guest before me: where am I bringing more kindness into the world?</p><p>Honest answer: inside my own head, where I&#8217;ve been brutally vicious to myself for years, and I&#8217;m trying to change that.</p><p>Once you tie the inner critic up in the cellar, it gets a lot easier to stop doing it to the people you love.</p><p>Oh and I got to leave the next guest a question: Which amendment in the Bill of Rights is your favorite, and why? Tell me yours in the comments.</p><p>Michael&#8217;s show is the best of America.  Give it a watch. </p><p>It&#8217;s good for the soul. </p><div id="youtube2-D7G5Aqwf0Pc" class="youtube-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;videoId&quot;:&quot;D7G5Aqwf0Pc&quot;,&quot;startTime&quot;:null,&quot;endTime&quot;:null}" data-component-name="Youtube2ToDOM"><div class="youtube-inner"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/D7G5Aqwf0Pc?rel=0&amp;autoplay=0&amp;showinfo=0&amp;enablejsapi=0" frameborder="0" loading="lazy" gesture="media" allow="autoplay; fullscreen" allowautoplay="true" allowfullscreen="true" width="728" height="409"></iframe></div></div><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.katytalento.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">And if you haven&#8217;t already, join the revolution by subscribing here</p></div><form 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fetchpriority="high"></picture><div></div></div></div></figure></div><p>Dan Neissany spends a lot of time talking to people who own clinics.</p><p>Doctors. PTs. Chiropractors. </p><p>Practice owners watching reimbursements fall, denials climb, and everything else they pay for (malpractice, salaries) move stubbornly in the opposite direction.</p><p>So when he had me on All Things LOCS, we got right to who&#8217;s squeezing them.</p><h3>Everything in health care is upside down. </h3><p>Employers pay more to the carrier, and doctors get paid less. Cut the carrier out, and the doctor gets paid more while the employer pays less.</p><p>For my clients, I start with the network. An employer can fire Cigna and still rent Cigna&#8217;s network. Your claim goes to Cigna first, Cigna applies its contracted rate, and then the employer pays. </p><p>The contracts everyone signed (the employer, the TPA, and you) say the network is Plan A. Nobody gets to cut a better deal around it unless the network approves. I&#8217;d argue those provisions violate the Sherman Act, and DOJ&#8217;s antitrust division ought to be coming after them.</p><p>Most specialists who stay in the network are making a rational choice. </p><p>A rheumatologist needs enough RA cases every year to justify walking away from the volume the network delivers. Independent practices can&#8217;t break out one at a time. For it to work well, it has to be a movement: employers, local hospitals, the chamber of commerce. Monthly lunch-and-learns with local CEOs and HR leaders. One conversation at a time. </p><p>Nobody's jumping off a cliff right now. You're just learning.</p><p>In one Midwestern community, it&#8217;s already happening. Three hospitals (one big academic medical center and two smaller ones) built their own network, put their own employees on it first, then contracted with the independent specialists and primary care docs they needed. They&#8217;re beating Blue Cross rates. The carriers don&#8217;t see it coming. But even with everyone on board, a build like that takes one to two years.</p><h3>The endgame isn&#8217;t a better direct contract. </h3><p>It&#8217;s actually cash pay at scale. One price for every service, with providers competing on it like every other industry.</p><p>Dan asked what a practice should do first thing tomorrow. That&#8217;s an easy one. </p><p><em>Clinicians should take a hard look at their cash price and make it competitive. </em></p><p>Make sure your billing software and your card processor can handle it. Put it on the wall. Tell every HR leader you know. Then get to know your local churches, because many of their members belong to health care sharing ministries looking for cash-friendly practices.</p><p>There is a way out.  Give the episode a watch:</p><div id="youtube2-bE18Eizk1GE" class="youtube-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;videoId&quot;:&quot;bE18Eizk1GE&quot;,&quot;startTime&quot;:null,&quot;endTime&quot;:null}" data-component-name="Youtube2ToDOM"><div class="youtube-inner"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/bE18Eizk1GE?rel=0&amp;autoplay=0&amp;showinfo=0&amp;enablejsapi=0" frameborder="0" loading="lazy" gesture="media" allow="autoplay; fullscreen" allowautoplay="true" allowfullscreen="true" width="728" height="409"></iframe></div></div><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.katytalento.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Join the Revolution.</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><p></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[You Have to Use These Codes. The AMA Charges You to Read Them.]]></title><description><![CDATA[Health lawyer Barbara Zabawa had me on the Wellness Law Podcast to talk about the AMA&#8217;s grip on billing codes, and what employers can do to stop paying for a broken system.]]></description><link>https://www.katytalento.com/p/you-have-to-use-these-codes-the-ama</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.katytalento.com/p/you-have-to-use-these-codes-the-ama</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Katy Talento ND ScM]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2026 16:56:29 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/youtube/w_728,c_limit/9WYVL6SwEwk" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barbara Zabawa found me after she read my Substack article discussing the American Medical Association getting sued over its billing codes.  </p><p>If you know anything about the bogus practices of the AMA, you can imagine why she reached out. </p><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;52aec69b-ac03-4c91-82bc-6640283b7995&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;Friday afternoon, an email landed in my inbox with the kind of subject line that makes me pause: &#8220;PRA Sues AMA to Make Medical Billing Codes Freely Available to the Public.&#8221; It was from Cynthia Fisher.&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:null,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;lg&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;The People v. 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She also once worked in-house at a large health insurer, so she knows exactly which rooms the bodies are buried in.</p><h2>We started with the AMA.</h2><p>You probably think of it as the nice little trade group for your doctor down the street. Most people do. </p><p>Well, it&#8217;s a scam, and a very profitable one.</p><p>Every medical bill in America is written in CPT codes. Medicare requires them. They&#8217;re part of the infrastructure of HIPAA-compliant billing. No employer plan will pay a claim without them. They are, for every practical purpose, law.</p><p>But the AMA owns them. </p><p>It makes roughly $300 million a year on the codes, and providers pay for access to the words they are required to use.</p><p>My friend Cynthia Fisher runs PatientRightsAdvocate.org. I worked with her on the price transparency rules when I was at the White House. Hospitals and insurers now have to post their prices, and they love to post them in file formats your computer can&#8217;t even open.</p><p>Cynthia&#8217;s team converts those files into spreadsheets actual humans can read.</p><p>And those spreadsheets contain CPT codes.</p><p>So now we&#8217;re fighting over whether a private organization gets to charge the public for access to something the government requires everyone to use.</p><p>Cynthia sued the AMA. (My money&#8217;s on Cynthia.)</p><h2>We also got into what I do at AllBetter.</h2><p>Health care is often the number two line on an employer&#8217;s P&amp;L, and it climbs by double digits every year. Any other line item behaving like that would get the vendor, the product, and the account manager fired.</p><p>Instead, HR renews the Blue Cross plan, because nobody ever got fired for buying Blue Cross, on the advice of a broker who is paid by the sellers.</p><p>A reminder: Blue Cross is not reaching into its own deep pockets to pay your medical bills.</p><p>It&#8217;s reaching into your employer&#8217;s.</p><p>So we fire the carrier. We fire the PBM. We rebuild the plan with independent vendors who are paid by the employer and nobody else.</p><p>The thing I like to say that makes CFOs ask 100 more questions is that <em>the only way we&#8217;ve found to save employers money is to make the benefits more generous.</em></p><ul><li><p>Concierge primary care. </p></li><li><p>A nurse navigator for every group. </p></li><li><p>Deductibles waived when you go to the high-quality site.</p></li></ul><p>Barbara asked where corporate wellness fits.</p><p>Wellness 1.0 paid the healthiest employees a premium discount to check boxes they were going to check anyway, while 5% of the workforce drove half the claims.</p><p>That was never going to work.</p><p>Wellness 2.0 is primary care that owns the patient.</p><p>And direct primary care is finally starting to bill as a claim, which sounds boring and changes everything.</p><p>I work with Catholic priests scattered across the country. Our nurses can now drop a priest into a DPC practice in any town without negotiating 200 separate contracts.</p><p>That&#8217;s how direct primary care starts to scale.</p><p>Wellness 3.0 is the functional labs, the nutrition counseling, the naturopath, the acupuncturist.</p><p>All the ways to keep people well that don&#8217;t require writing a giant check to a giant corporation called &#8220;Saint Whoever&#8221; down the street, pretending to be a charity.</p><p>Give it a watch.</p><div id="youtube2-9WYVL6SwEwk" class="youtube-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;videoId&quot;:&quot;9WYVL6SwEwk&quot;,&quot;startTime&quot;:null,&quot;endTime&quot;:null}" data-component-name="Youtube2ToDOM"><div class="youtube-inner"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/9WYVL6SwEwk?rel=0&amp;autoplay=0&amp;showinfo=0&amp;enablejsapi=0" frameborder="0" loading="lazy" gesture="media" allow="autoplay; fullscreen" allowautoplay="true" allowfullscreen="true" width="728" height="409"></iframe></div></div><p>And if you run a company and you&#8217;re tired of watching that number two line eat your margin, come find me at AllBetter.</p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.katytalento.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Join the Revolution.</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><p></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[The Economists Came Around. The Contracts Still Haven’t.]]></title><description><![CDATA[Spencer Smith had me on Self-Funded to talk network contracts, AI upcoding, and school choice for health care.]]></description><link>https://www.katytalento.com/p/the-economists-came-around-the-contracts</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.katytalento.com/p/the-economists-came-around-the-contracts</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Katy Talento ND ScM]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2026 13:26:14 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/youtube/w_728,c_limit/3axbYHORS8k" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the first Trump White House, I spent my days arguing with PhD economists over whether letting buyers see prices might lower them. </p><p>Like arguing with physicists over whether gravity is a thing. I tell that story in detail <a href="https://www.katytalento.com/p/inside-the-white-house-war-over-ending">here</a>. </p><p>But after years, and since Spencer and I recorded this conversation only a few months ago, the economists have come around.</p><p>In June, the White House Council of Economic Advisers estimated that banning certain anti-competitive hospital contract terms could save workers and employers about $45 billion a year in premiums. Two days earlier, DOJ proposed a settlement requiring OhioHealth to stop using the challenged provisions. Its case against NewYork-Presbyterian remains open.</p><p>Welcome aboard, fellas.</p><p>But there&#8217;s another contract problem I think deserves attention.</p><p><em>When self-funded employers rent a network, those agreements can require them to use the network&#8217;s rates - even when an employer and provider might happily make a better deal directly.</em></p><p>Spencer asked whether we should even be comparing networks anymore, or stripping them of their power over price.</p><p><em>Now you&#8217;re speaking my language.</em></p><p>We spent a good chunk of the episode on why I believe those restrictions deserve antitrust scrutiny by DOJ, what <a href="https://www.katytalento.com/p/i-have-a-dream-of-a-post-network">a post-network world could look like</a>, and why the endgame should be much simpler: providers competing on transparent cash prices.</p><p>We also got into my concern that AI in the exam room may be accelerating upcoding, the changes coming for PBMs and fiduciaries, and my &#8220;<a href="https://www.katytalento.com/p/dear-republicans-theres-still-time">school choice for health care</a>&#8221; idea: put far more of the money currently spent on someone&#8217;s coverage into an account they control and let them choose how to spend it on care and coverage.</p><p>And yes, we talked about Washington&#8217;s affection for incremental HSA changes when I&#8217;d rather see much bigger structural reform.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://youtu.be/3axbYHORS8k?si=XbL0kdaiFjPf3V-H&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Watch The Full Episode Here.&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://youtu.be/3axbYHORS8k?si=XbL0kdaiFjPf3V-H"><span>Watch The Full Episode Here.</span></a></p><div id="youtube2-3axbYHORS8k" class="youtube-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;videoId&quot;:&quot;3axbYHORS8k&quot;,&quot;startTime&quot;:null,&quot;endTime&quot;:null}" data-component-name="Youtube2ToDOM"><div class="youtube-inner"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/3axbYHORS8k?rel=0&amp;autoplay=0&amp;showinfo=0&amp;enablejsapi=0" frameborder="0" loading="lazy" gesture="media" allow="autoplay; fullscreen" allowautoplay="true" allowfullscreen="true" width="728" height="409"></iframe></div></div><div class="captioned-button-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.katytalento.com/p/the-economists-came-around-the-contracts?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;}" data-component-name="CaptionedButtonToDOM"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Thanks for reading AllBetter! 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He spent a decade inside Cox Health before he ever ran for anything, so when he talks about what hospitals have become in Springfield, it&#8217;s cuz he knows.  </p><p>Nate Lucas co-hosts. </p><p>Between the two of them they let me talk for twenty minutes about kickbacks, which is more runway than I usually get on the Hill.</p><p>Here is where we ended up.</p><p><em>The worst actors in American health care are the nonprofit hospitals.</em> They wear the white hat in their communities, collect the tax exemption, and plunder the working class on the way out the door. On average they spend less than three percent of revenue on actual charity, maybe a little more if you count all uncompensated care (most of which they didn&#8217;t agree to in advance out of the goodness of their hearts).</p><p>If you still think they might be the good guys, remember that Providence hired McKinsey to help them hide their charity program from the poor people the ACA requires them to serve. They&#8217;re not just one of a few bad apples, trust me. </p><p>A hospital I&#8217;m trying to do surgery for a Catholic nun whose health plan I run just doubled the demand price for a knee replacement to $80K when we tried to negotiate down from their already outrageous $40K initial demand. If she doesn&#8217;t pay cash on the day of service, they won&#8217;t see her. She would qualify for Medicaid, but her plan WANTS to pay. They just don&#8217;t want to get raped.</p><p>But tell me again, El Camino Health in Santa Clara, CA, like every other whiney hospital I ever talk to, how you&#8217;re &#8220;barely surviving.&#8221;</p><p>Let me count the cranes.</p><p>The carriers and the PBMs (but I repeat myself) are running the same play from the other side. The entire value proposition of a network is that they can get you a lower price than you could get yourself. But the opposite is true almost everywhere. </p><p>And when cash beats the negotiated rate. I can&#8217;t remember anymore what the network is for.</p><p>On the podcast, Nate asked if I have PTSD from July 28, 2017. I do. We had bought off every vote we could find in the House and turned <a href="https://www.katytalento.com/p/i-should-have-known-that-obamacare">repeal and replace</a> into something Frankensteinian we could barely defend, and then the Senate looked at it and knew the dog wouldn&#8217;t hunt. Several of them voted no. </p><p>I am glad it failed. It was a bad bill.</p><p>What we did do, surgically, in the tax bill the next year, was zero out the individual mandate penalty. That is the pattern. <a href="https://www.katytalento.com/p/dear-republicans-theres-still-time">Republicans keep trying to do Obamacare but slightly less of it</a>, and then they wonder why nobody is inspired.</p><p>They asked me for a thirty-second pitch to Republicans at the end. Here it is.</p><p>We&#8217;re going to lose if we don&#8217;t do something about the affordability crisis, and health care is the biggest piece of it. If we won&#8217;t help people with the number one thing that is life and death to them, we don&#8217;t deserve power. We should go home. Nobody needs us here.</p><p>Watch the whole thing below. <br></p><div id="youtube2-VpZV5o7rQnI" class="youtube-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;videoId&quot;:&quot;VpZV5o7rQnI&quot;,&quot;startTime&quot;:null,&quot;endTime&quot;:null}" data-component-name="Youtube2ToDOM"><div class="youtube-inner"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/VpZV5o7rQnI?rel=0&amp;autoplay=0&amp;showinfo=0&amp;enablejsapi=0" frameborder="0" loading="lazy" gesture="media" allow="autoplay; fullscreen" allowautoplay="true" allowfullscreen="true" width="728" height="409"></iframe></div></div><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.katytalento.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">AllBetter is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber.</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><p></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[The Farm Bill Isn’t Finished]]></title><description><![CDATA[Why I&#8217;m still watching the pesticide liability fight. A timely conversation on RAW with Jennifer Galardi and Jay Richards.]]></description><link>https://www.katytalento.com/p/the-farm-bill-isnt-finished</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.katytalento.com/p/the-farm-bill-isnt-finished</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Katy Talento ND ScM]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2026 13:17:33 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!TcsK!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F36fef2f3-9abe-4c1b-938b-3c8efe52085f_5712x4284.jpeg" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!TcsK!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F36fef2f3-9abe-4c1b-938b-3c8efe52085f_5712x4284.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div 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sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!TcsK!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F36fef2f3-9abe-4c1b-938b-3c8efe52085f_5712x4284.jpeg" width="1456" height="1941" 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height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Washington loves a deadline. </p><p>And if you spend enough time there, you learn the weeks before one are generally when you should start paying <em>more</em> attention, not less.</p><p>The Senate returns September 14. The current Farm Bill extension expires September 30, and Senate Agriculture Chairman John Boozman has said he intends to bring Farm Bill 2.0 back up shortly after lawmakers return, after it failed to advance out of committee in August.</p><p>For the moment, the pesticide liability language that caused such an uproar earlier this year is out. (Thank you to everyone who contributed to that happening by throwing a well-justified fit.) The House stripped those provisions from its bill after Anna Paulina Luna forced the issue in April, and the Senate proposal does NOT contain a comparable liability shield - yet.</p><p>That&#8217;s very good news. I&#8217;m just not declaring victory while Congress is still engaging with the bill.</p><p>Which makes my recent conversation with Jennifer Galardi and Jay Richards on <strong>RAW</strong> particularly well-timed.</p><p>We talked about the story behind my <a href="https://www.katytalento.com/p/confessions-of-a-white-house-public">recent confession</a>, the autism moms who came into my Senate office more than twenty years ago, the RFK Jr. meeting I later routed away from the Trump White House, and the very long road from true believer in our public-health institutions to asking considerably more uncomfortable questions about them.</p><p>But we also got into something especially relevant to the Farm Bill fight: <em>incentives.</em></p><p><a href="https://www.katytalento.com/p/inside-the-white-house-war-over-ending">Markets depend on transparency</a>, meaningful choice, accountability and some avenue of recourse when a product causes harm. Start removing those things and eventually you have to ask what mechanism is left to keep the system honest. That was the point we kept coming back to, and why I said creating that kind of liability structure around another class of products would be &#8220;the height of public health malpractice.&#8221;</p><p>We also covered informed consent, FDA labels, hospital food, and why people who publicly admit they got something wrong should probably be encouraged rather than beaten back into silence.</p><p>The whole conversation is below. </p><p>Take a listen and let me know what you think. </p><div id="youtube2-p_yPF2-ee_o" class="youtube-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;videoId&quot;:&quot;p_yPF2-ee_o&quot;,&quot;startTime&quot;:null,&quot;endTime&quot;:null}" data-component-name="Youtube2ToDOM"><div class="youtube-inner"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/p_yPF2-ee_o?rel=0&amp;autoplay=0&amp;showinfo=0&amp;enablejsapi=0" frameborder="0" loading="lazy" gesture="media" allow="autoplay; fullscreen" allowautoplay="true" allowfullscreen="true" width="728" height="409"></iframe></div></div><div class="captioned-button-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.katytalento.com/p/the-farm-bill-isnt-finished?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;}" data-component-name="CaptionedButtonToDOM"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Thanks for reading AllBetter! 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GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!eOgz!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F742d2f65-a99f-4347-ade6-fbfd0abebc8c_1605x752.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!eOgz!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F742d2f65-a99f-4347-ade6-fbfd0abebc8c_1605x752.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!eOgz!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F742d2f65-a99f-4347-ade6-fbfd0abebc8c_1605x752.png 424w, 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The people who oversee coverage for 160 million Americans are still pension experts or labor wage union types. </p><p>Meanwhile, out in the real world, network contracts still say the claim goes to the carrier, the carrier&#8217;s rate is the rate, and employers and doctors/hospitals can&#8217;t cut a better deal with each other directly. This is the wall between us and a real cash pay economy.</p><p>But in just a few short months, things <em>have moved significantly on our side</em> <em>of the table</em>. </p><p>Cash pay has continued getting the attention of employers, patients and social media. It&#8217;s also becoming more &#8220;doable,&#8221; one vendor and one plan at a time. My nuns are even having luck getting seen at NYU. (Read the full story on how things are going <a href="https://www.katytalento.com/p/my-nuns-fired-blue-cross-eight-years">here</a>.)</p><p>And that is the story behind the headlines. </p><p>Nothing has been fixed <em>for</em> us. But some of us built around it anyway, and it&#8217;s working - slowly but surely.</p><p>Full episode below.</p><div id="youtube2-xSrt34F5rHY" class="youtube-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;videoId&quot;:&quot;xSrt34F5rHY&quot;,&quot;startTime&quot;:null,&quot;endTime&quot;:null}" data-component-name="Youtube2ToDOM"><div class="youtube-inner"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/xSrt34F5rHY?rel=0&amp;autoplay=0&amp;showinfo=0&amp;enablejsapi=0" frameborder="0" loading="lazy" gesture="media" allow="autoplay; fullscreen" allowautoplay="true" allowfullscreen="true" width="728" height="409"></iframe></div></div><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.katytalento.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">AllBetter is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber.</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><p></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[NYU Turned Away a Nun Rather Than Take Cash]]></title><description><![CDATA[My hour in Manhattan with Matthew Zachary.]]></description><link>https://www.katytalento.com/p/nyu-turned-away-a-nun-rather-than</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.katytalento.com/p/nyu-turned-away-a-nun-rather-than</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Katy Talento ND ScM]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2026 14:04:03 GMT</pubDate><enclosure 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Matthew and I had a blast talking through some of the darkest parts of our lives and of modern American medicine. Maybe that&#8217;s because we&#8217;re both trying to fuel the same patient movement. Or maybe it&#8217;s because he&#8217;s also Gen X, so we spent the first ten minutes on nun jokes, classic rock, and the 1978 sedan my father bought me because he knew exactly how I drove.</p><p>For anyone who doesn&#8217;t know him, Matthew was diagnosed with cancer thirty years ago and then built the young adult cancer survivor movement, largely because nobody else had done it. </p><p>He opens his show with: &#8220;I&#8217;m as mad as hell and I&#8217;m not going to take this anymore.&#8221; And that&#8217;s the posture of his whole show.</p><p>We talked about our personal run-ins with medicine. How the reproductive specialists watched my ovaries for about a minute and then <a href="https://www.katytalento.com/p/infertile">handed me a label</a> without ever mentioning that my routine of four hours of sleep wasn&#8217;t going to make me <em>more</em> fertile. Nobody asked about <a href="https://www.katytalento.com/p/diet-coke-why-cant-i-quit-you">the Diet Coke I was using as hydration</a>. Nobody asked about the cortisol bath I was living in at work. And I just believed them.</p><p>Matthew shared how he went on COBRA at 22, a week after his treatment ended, and found out what insurance charges a young survivor for the privilege of staying alive.</p><p>He&#8217;s spent 30 years on the receiving end of the dysfunction. I spent 30 years trying to rewrite the rules, and now building around them.</p><p>The best stretch was about cash.</p><p>Matthew is a Cost Plus member. Four of the seven medications he takes daily are generic, and he says paying cash instead of running them through insurance saves him about $200 a month for <em>the same</em> pills. </p><p>Then I told him about my nuns. The way I run their health plan. How I fired Blue Cross, I fired Express Scripts, and it&#8217;s better now. And how when a sister needs an appointment at NYU, NYU says they don&#8217;t take our plan. </p><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;74cef0cb-f13e-4859-a5bf-863f3dc01031&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;For the past eight years, I&#8217;ve run the health plan for a group that I call &#8220;my nuns.&#8221;&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:null,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;lg&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;My Nuns Fired Blue Cross. 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Though that&#8217;s starting to change.</p><p>We also got into why change is slow. </p><p>The asymmetry of sophistication between a multi-trillion-dollar industry and a Senate health staffer who doesn&#8217;t know what he doesn&#8217;t know. Why the money in politics doesn&#8217;t corrupt so much as it guarantees the industry gets to frame the issue first. And the new fiduciary rules that could take the PBM business model apart, if anyone enforces them.</p><p>Matthew closes every episode by asking his AI which three pop culture characters his guest would be. I got Dana Scully, Michael Clayton, and Olivia Benson. I&#8217;ll take it.</p><p>Listen below, and subscribe to Out of Patients while you&#8217;re there.<br></p><div id="youtube2-sB8PQM3OQfk" class="youtube-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;videoId&quot;:&quot;sB8PQM3OQfk&quot;,&quot;startTime&quot;:null,&quot;endTime&quot;:null}" data-component-name="Youtube2ToDOM"><div class="youtube-inner"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/sB8PQM3OQfk?rel=0&amp;autoplay=0&amp;showinfo=0&amp;enablejsapi=0" frameborder="0" loading="lazy" gesture="media" allow="autoplay; fullscreen" allowautoplay="true" allowfullscreen="true" width="728" height="409"></iframe></div></div><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.katytalento.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">AllBetter is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber.</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[React 19 Was Doing This Work When It Cost People Everything]]></title><description><![CDATA[I went on the React 19 podcast. Here&#8217;s who they are and why it matters.]]></description><link>https://www.katytalento.com/p/react-19-was-doing-this-work-when</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.katytalento.com/p/react-19-was-doing-this-work-when</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Katy Talento ND ScM]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2026 14:01:53 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!yar6!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fea2d17ea-8a70-4dbf-86a4-0807dc26456e_1602x956.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>React 19 exists because a group of people got hurt, got dismissed, and then built the organization nobody was going to build for them. </p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" 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Their host, Ann Forti, has been in this fight for decades, and it shows in the questions she asks.</p><p>Halfway through our conversation, Ann mentioned that her daughter is going in for knee surgery on Monday. The estimate came back at $38,000. They are cash pay, so they asked for the other number. The other number was $6,000.</p><p>That is the health care in a nutshell, and it is why a conversation about vaccine injury turns into a conversation about hospital pricing. Because once this system hurts you, you find out fast that the billing arm runs the same playbook as the clinical arm.</p><p>Ann wanted to know why nothing is moving. </p><p>Kennedy is in. Bhattacharya is in. The wins are small and the reversals are loud.</p><p>My answer is not that the good guys sold out. My answer is that there is no functioning policy process right now, and policy is being driven by bedwetting from outside entities. </p><p><em>Media hits, donor dinners, a chairman threatening a nomination.</em> </p><p>In a normal White House all of that gets aired in a room with people who can push back on it. Now it goes straight to the top with nobody there to say the polling is wrong and the science is wrong and you campaigned on this. ( I wrote about this <a href="https://www.katytalento.com/p/how-a-white-house-actually-decides">here</a>.)</p><p>We also got into the compensation fight for the vaccine injured. My skepticism there is about Congress, not about the people doing the work.</p><p>Don&#8217;t despair. Where everything is now is not where it will be in six months.</p><p>But no one is coming from Washington to save your health.</p><p>Listen to the episode, and then go look at what React 19 is actually doing.</p><div id="youtube2-8h8KxqWEt78" class="youtube-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;videoId&quot;:&quot;8h8KxqWEt78&quot;,&quot;startTime&quot;:&quot;1s&quot;,&quot;endTime&quot;:null}" data-component-name="Youtube2ToDOM"><div class="youtube-inner"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/8h8KxqWEt78?start=1s&amp;rel=0&amp;autoplay=0&amp;showinfo=0&amp;enablejsapi=0" frameborder="0" loading="lazy" gesture="media" allow="autoplay; fullscreen" allowautoplay="true" allowfullscreen="true" width="728" height="409"></iframe></div></div><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.katytalento.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">AllBetter is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber.</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><p></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Two Pharmacists Who Want You On Fewer Drugs]]></title><description><![CDATA[Meet Kevin and Donna: the pharmacists making the case for less medicine, not more]]></description><link>https://www.katytalento.com/p/two-pharmacists-who-want-you-on-fewer</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.katytalento.com/p/two-pharmacists-who-want-you-on-fewer</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Katy Talento ND ScM]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2026 10:00:54 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!YYDE!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0a8c0804-0fea-49ff-a10e-cae0aa72f1d4_3840x2160.jpeg" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sat down with Dr. Kevin Walker and Dr. Donna Bartlett on The Med List. </p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!YYDE!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0a8c0804-0fea-49ff-a10e-cae0aa72f1d4_3840x2160.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!YYDE!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0a8c0804-0fea-49ff-a10e-cae0aa72f1d4_3840x2160.jpeg 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height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Kevin and Donna are both pharmacists. </p><p>Donna&#8217;s focus is <em>deprescribing</em>: getting people off medications that are hurting them more than helping. Kevin digs deeper on the digital health and systems side of things. They both see the consequences of good and bad health policy first hand, day in and day out. Perfect setting for a chat. </p><p>We started with some background. How I began my career as an infectious disease epidemiologist with dreams of going to Africa, wearing a space suit, and quarantining towns. How, when I got to South Sudan, I figured out I didn&#8217;t have the diplomacy skills for negotiating with warlords. And how when I came home, Capitol Hill sucked me in. All of it led me, somehow, to the White House. When I finally got out of DC, I couldn&#8217;t bear going out to shill for industry, so I decided to use my health care chops to build health plans so I could sleep at night.</p><p>Then we got into the good stuff I&#8217;ve learned through it all:</p><p>&#8594; Why your fee-for-service doctor needs their patient panel to be sick <br>&#8594; What you find underneath a health plan once you unbundle it and the conflicts of interest are finally visible<br>&#8594; Why our health plans run on one nurse who knows your name instead of a call center<br>&#8594; And why they incorporate direct primary care which is expensive, but not as expensive as unmanaged chronic illness.</p><p>And the most important thing, even if you don&#8217;t care about health policy at all: </p><p><em>Washington isn&#8217;t coming to save you. Neither is your insurance plan. And especially not the white coats at the hospital.</em></p><p>Nobody cares about your health more than you. Nobody is more of an expert in your body than you are. YOU are your primary care provider.</p><p>We break it all down in this episode. </p><div id="youtube2-alg0xosb9cI" class="youtube-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;videoId&quot;:&quot;alg0xosb9cI&quot;,&quot;startTime&quot;:null,&quot;endTime&quot;:null}" data-component-name="Youtube2ToDOM"><div class="youtube-inner"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/alg0xosb9cI?rel=0&amp;autoplay=0&amp;showinfo=0&amp;enablejsapi=0" frameborder="0" loading="lazy" gesture="media" allow="autoplay; fullscreen" allowautoplay="true" allowfullscreen="true" width="728" height="409"></iframe></div></div><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://youtu.be/alg0xosb9cI?si=WSNcTmBteah-T3qq&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Watch Here&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://youtu.be/alg0xosb9cI?si=WSNcTmBteah-T3qq"><span>Watch Here</span></a></p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.katytalento.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">AllBetter is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber.</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><p></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Robert Scott Bell Has Been Dismantling Status Quo Thinking since 1999. ]]></title><description><![CDATA[So when he invited me on his show to join in, I cleared my calendar.]]></description><link>https://www.katytalento.com/p/robert-scott-bell-has-been-dismantling</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.katytalento.com/p/robert-scott-bell-has-been-dismantling</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Katy Talento ND ScM]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2026 10:02:08 GMT</pubDate><enclosure 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(Apparently viruses travel 6 feet in some places, but not others.)</p><p>Then the FDA approved a vaccine label for a product that wasn&#8217;t even available, while extending emergency authorization for the one being injected into arms. Humm. </p><p>None of it made any sense, and I found myself asking the same question on repeat -  <em>Why?</em></p><p>The answer wasn&#8217;t complicated, but it was one I hadn&#8217;t been trained to see. I had to figure things out on my own like so many others. </p><p>The people best positioned to see what was actually happening were the ones who were never inside the status quo framework to begin with. People like <span class="mention-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Robert Scott  Bell&quot;,&quot;id&quot;:18842420,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;user&quot;,&quot;url&quot;:null,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!5wRS!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F86a9c3c5-8335-4457-87dc-ed518ae00331_144x144.png&quot;,&quot;uuid&quot;:&quot;1c943002-0f3a-4dae-b189-c0f727247331&quot;}" data-component-name="MentionToDOM"></span> who&#8217;d been in the game for decades. </p><p>I sat down with him last week to talk about what happens when regulators stop protecting the public and start protecting the industry - and why the people running circles around establishment thinkers during COVID were the ones we&#8217;ve all been told to ignore.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://rumble.com/v7agf92-hantavirus-prep-backlash-dr.-charles-cornish-dale-liberalism-and-the-death-.html?start=4648&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Watch Katy on RSB Show Here&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://rumble.com/v7agf92-hantavirus-prep-backlash-dr.-charles-cornish-dale-liberalism-and-the-death-.html?start=4648"><span>Watch Katy on RSB Show Here</span></a></p><p></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Nobody Is Coming to Save You from American Healthcare]]></title><description><![CDATA[Not your insurance card. Not your doctor. And certainly not Congress. It's not all bad news though. We talked about all of it on The Broken Healthcare Podcast.]]></description><link>https://www.katytalento.com/p/nobody-is-coming-to-save-you-from</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.katytalento.com/p/nobody-is-coming-to-save-you-from</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Katy Talento ND ScM]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2026 17:06:10 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/youtube/w_728,c_limit/vFsEjRKWwrI" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The American healthcare system is the most expensive on earth and has produced the sickest, fattest, saddest, most <a href="https://thembeforeus.substack.com/cp/182001743">infertile</a>, most medicated population in human history.</p><p>That&#8217;s actually the business model. I know because I spent two decades trying to fix it. Worst of all I had to sit on the sidelines and <a href="https://www.katytalento.com/p/hospitals-are-soviet-style-hellscapes">watch it completely fail my sister.</a>  </p><p><em>Ray Kober had me on The Broken Healthcare Podcast to discuss what&#8217;s happening. </em>Here&#8217;s what came up: </p><p>&#8594; How a Mormon-turned-Catholic-turned-actual-nun ends up running health policy in the Trump White House (yes, real convent, two years).</p><p>&#8594; How I watched my betters negotiate with warlords in South Sudan in my twenties, and why that turned out to be excellent training for negotiating with PBMs in my forties.</p><p>&#8594; Why the fight is no longer Republicans vs. Democrats, but actually the healthcare swamp vs. the rest of us, and how for the first time in my career, the swamp is starting to lose.</p><p>&#8594; Why <a href="https://www.katytalento.com/p/price-transparency-is-already-working">the free market hasn&#8217;t failed</a> in American healthcare. It&#8217;s actually never been tried.</p><p>&#8594; <a href="https://www.katytalento.com/p/pbms-and-employers-could-go-to-federal">The new federal law</a> that just put every middleman in the country on personal notice, and why nobody in Washington is talking about it yet.</p><p>&#8594; My sister&#8217;s <a href="https://www.katytalento.com/p/hospitals-are-soviet-style-hellscapes">hospital that did everything &#8220;by protocol&#8221;</a> and nothing that actually helped her. And the day I decided I was never going to be a patient in this country again.</p><p>If you&#8217;ve already figured out that something is very wrong with our health system, please listen in. </p><p>You&#8217;re not crazy. You&#8217;re just early.</p><div id="youtube2-vFsEjRKWwrI" class="youtube-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;videoId&quot;:&quot;vFsEjRKWwrI&quot;,&quot;startTime&quot;:null,&quot;endTime&quot;:null}" data-component-name="Youtube2ToDOM"><div class="youtube-inner"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/vFsEjRKWwrI?rel=0&amp;autoplay=0&amp;showinfo=0&amp;enablejsapi=0" frameborder="0" loading="lazy" gesture="media" allow="autoplay; fullscreen" allowautoplay="true" allowfullscreen="true" width="728" height="409"></iframe></div></div><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.katytalento.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">AllBetter is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber.</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><p></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[I went on Dr. Drew. We covered a lot of ground.]]></title><description><![CDATA[On the 'cause-no-epidemics' philosophy, the evangelist physician, and why sometimes we risk medicating away our humanity.]]></description><link>https://www.katytalento.com/p/i-went-on-dr-drew-we-covered-a-lot</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.katytalento.com/p/i-went-on-dr-drew-we-covered-a-lot</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Katy Talento ND ScM]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2026 16:34:18 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WzvS!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd1283e50-cec4-41c2-b544-32bd4e1cf51f_2294x1330.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" 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evangelists who handed us the opioid crisis, Public Health and their six feet distancing and cloth masks. All literally evangelizing. </p></li><li><p>Why Big Pharma&#8217;s interests align with us being patients for life. </p></li><li><p>Why &#8220;live like a human&#8221; (sleep like one, eat like one, pray like one, raise children like one) is one prescription we all need to write ourselves.</p></li><li><p>And because Dr. Drew is Dr. Drew, we landed on Sigmund Freud. Specifically: the difference between serious mental illness and ordinary misery. Some of what we&#8217;re medicating now is ordinary misery. Ordinary misery is what makes us human. It can often tighten family bonds, deepen our relationship to God, or drive us to make a difference. </p></li></ul><p>Take a listen!</p><div id="youtube2-M6GcMvRctCs" class="youtube-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;videoId&quot;:&quot;M6GcMvRctCs&quot;,&quot;startTime&quot;:null,&quot;endTime&quot;:null}" data-component-name="Youtube2ToDOM"><div class="youtube-inner"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/M6GcMvRctCs?rel=0&amp;autoplay=0&amp;showinfo=0&amp;enablejsapi=0" frameborder="0" loading="lazy" gesture="media" allow="autoplay; fullscreen" allowautoplay="true" allowfullscreen="true" width="728" height="409"></iframe></div></div><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.katytalento.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">AllBetter is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber.</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><p></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[My son still hasn't forgiven me for school.]]></title><description><![CDATA[We picked the best one we could find. But it wasn't enough, because it was still school.]]></description><link>https://www.katytalento.com/p/my-son-still-hasnt-forgiven-me-for</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.katytalento.com/p/my-son-still-hasnt-forgiven-me-for</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Katy Talento ND ScM]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2026 10:01:13 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!700h!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fab6b6dc1-cdc6-4822-b307-28dbeed66b99_1498x1196.jpeg" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!700h!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fab6b6dc1-cdc6-4822-b307-28dbeed66b99_1498x1196.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div 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It was the best school money could buy.  </p><p>I was working in the White House. Our values mattered, and so I hunted down the most faith-based, boy-centric school I could find. All boys. All male teachers. Sports in the middle of the day. Kids hanging off tree branches instead of chained to desks. I walked in and thought: <em>this is a boy&#8217;s paradise.</em></p><p>He hated it. Intensely. </p><p>It wasn&#8217;t the school I picked. It was school itself.</p><p>I sat down with Casey Harper at The Washington Stand&#8217;s <em>Outstanding</em> podcast to talk about this - about why our boys are cratering (5x lonelier than men their age a generation ago, 70% of overdose deaths, falling behind in every educational metric we can measure), and what I wish I&#8217;d understood before I made the choices I made for my son.</p><p>We get into:</p><ul><li><p>Why I&#8217;m not sure I believe in school for boys anymore</p></li><li><p>How we medicalized normal boy behavior of risk-taking, stick-wielding, wall-bouncing and called it a disorder</p></li><li><p>The &#8220;chickified&#8221; culture (thanks, Rush) and now we can&#8217;t tell the difference between a boy who wants to climb a tree and a boy who needs Adderall</p></li><li><p>Why the same fire that drives a 9-year-old to beat dents into an oak is the fire that makes a 19-year-old willing to die for his country (and what happens when we extinguish it)</p></li><li><p>And the question I&#8217;m wrestling with live on the air: what would it actually take to homeschool my grandkids while running my businesses?</p></li></ul><p>I don&#8217;t have the answers. </p><p><em>(I keep telling people this. They keep asking me anyway.)</em> </p><p>I&#8217;m a Gen X mom with a son who won&#8217;t let me forget the choices I made. I&#8217;m also a naturopath who&#8217;s spent years watching the &#8220;health&#8221; system manufacture sickness in adults, and I can see how we are doing something similar to our boys in real time. </p><p>Nobody at HHS is coming to save your son. Nobody at his school is either. </p><p>His teachers are lovely women. They don&#8217;t love him.</p><p><a href="https://www.katytalento.com/p/re-wilding-our-boys-into-men">Read</a> the article. <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUcDZ3b8NYo">Watch</a> the full conversation. </p><p>Share it with the dad getting pressured into signing his 5-year-old up for kindergarten. Send it to the mom who just filled an ADHD script and feels weird about it. Forward it to the grandparent who still thinks daycare is progress.</p><p>We&#8217;re going to have to raise this generation ourselves. </p><p>Radically. Creatively. Generationally.</p><div class="captioned-button-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.katytalento.com/p/my-son-still-hasnt-forgiven-me-for?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;}" data-component-name="CaptionedButtonToDOM"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Thanks for reading AllBetter! 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url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!N35c!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F73a4c578-571b-486d-80bb-d3922c920455_3024x2268.jpeg" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!N35c!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F73a4c578-571b-486d-80bb-d3922c920455_3024x2268.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!N35c!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F73a4c578-571b-486d-80bb-d3922c920455_3024x2268.jpeg 424w, 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height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Health policy stars in DC do not grow up dreaming about ERISA and the House Ed &amp; Workforce committee. They dream about Ways &amp; Means, or Senate Finance. So that&#8217;s where they go.  Because, for decades, that&#8217;s where the health care fights happen.</p><p>And that&#8217;s why we end up fighting forever over the 20 million people in the ACA exchanges while 160 million Americans on employer-sponsored plans get fleeced by PBMs, carriers, Big Pharma and fake-charity hospitals - and nobody in this town lifts a finger for them.</p><p>Then, when a new administration shows up and needs political appointees, they go to the committees where the staffers are, and stack HHS with people who have never done serious policy work for employer-sponsored market.</p><p>Nick Solheim at American Moment had me on the Moment of Truth podcast this week and we went through all of it.</p><ul><li><p>How I watched us try to do Repeal and Replace in 2017 with a Congress that hadn&#8217;t written a replace bill (and then watched the Frankenstein that came out of that process die in the Senate - and thank God it did).</p></li><li><p>Why price transparency actually got done (the internal fight with our own libertarian wing was brutal).</p></li><li><p>Why insurance is now more expensive than paying cash most of the time.</p></li><li><p>Why every time Bobby Kennedy or Marty Makary tries to do the job we hired them for, our own side lets them get torched &#8212; when what we should be doing is laying our bodies on the train tracks for them, the way the other team does for their own.</p></li></ul><p>Also, the apology email I wrote to Bobby Kennedy after I helped run him out of the first Trump White House. He was gracious. I self-flagellated. You can tell I&#8217;m Catholic.</p><p><a href="https://youtu.be/dXZabMoWLMc?si=po_o3P8EqusiPsjj">Give it a listen</a>. Let me know what you think.</p><div id="youtube2-dXZabMoWLMc" class="youtube-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;videoId&quot;:&quot;dXZabMoWLMc&quot;,&quot;startTime&quot;:null,&quot;endTime&quot;:null}" data-component-name="Youtube2ToDOM"><div class="youtube-inner"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/dXZabMoWLMc?rel=0&amp;autoplay=0&amp;showinfo=0&amp;enablejsapi=0" frameborder="0" loading="lazy" gesture="media" allow="autoplay; fullscreen" allowautoplay="true" allowfullscreen="true" width="728" height="409"></iframe></div></div><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.katytalento.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">AllBetter is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber.</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><p></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[I Helped Write The Rules. But Health Care Screwed Me Anyway.]]></title><description><![CDATA[Jenn Friesen and I talk juicy inside-baseball DC gossip, infertility and health journeys. Spend some time with us and learn how women with hormonal chaos can live like humans again.]]></description><link>https://www.katytalento.com/p/i-helped-build-the-machine-and-then</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.katytalento.com/p/i-helped-build-the-machine-and-then</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Katy Talento ND ScM]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2026 13:22:02 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/youtube/w_728,c_limit/41qEL9H-CFU" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="youtube2-41qEL9H-CFU" class="youtube-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;videoId&quot;:&quot;41qEL9H-CFU&quot;,&quot;startTime&quot;:null,&quot;endTime&quot;:null}" data-component-name="Youtube2ToDOM"><div class="youtube-inner"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/41qEL9H-CFU?rel=0&amp;autoplay=0&amp;showinfo=0&amp;enablejsapi=0" frameborder="0" loading="lazy" gesture="media" allow="autoplay; fullscreen" allowautoplay="true" allowfullscreen="true" width="728" height="409"></iframe></div></div><p>The thing I didn&#8217;t understand until I was well out of government is that the system isn&#8217;t broken. It&#8217;s working exactly as designed. It profits from your sickness. It has no structural incentive to produce your health. </p><p>I helped build parts of that machine, and I still got screwed by it - which either means I was naive, or the thing is more powerful than any of us on the inside wanted to admit.</p><p><em>(Both. It was both.)</em></p><p>What I know now - as a naturopath, as a former White House advisor, as someone who finally cleaned up her own health after watching her sister die too young - is that the best defense is to stop needing the system so much. </p><p>Sleep like a human. Eat like a human. Get some sunlight on your face. These aren&#8217;t woo. They&#8217;re species-specific requirements, and we&#8217;ve been talked out of them by a culture that profits from our dysfunction.</p><p>I spilled all the tea. Check it out and let me know what you think. </p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.katytalento.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Want to be the first to know about things like this?  Subscribe&#8230; and then share with a friend who needs to know too.  </p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><p></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[600 Pounds Down Really Wanted The Truth. ]]></title><description><![CDATA[So I told them. Starting with how I spent two decades helping build the machine. And why I started telling people how to break out of it.]]></description><link>https://www.katytalento.com/p/600-pounds-down-really-wanted-the</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.katytalento.com/p/600-pounds-down-really-wanted-the</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Katy Talento ND ScM]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2026 11:14:39 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!BVDu!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0ec7ad80-2e38-4a32-afe4-35839e84f1c8_3021x2417.jpeg" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!BVDu!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0ec7ad80-2e38-4a32-afe4-35839e84f1c8_3021x2417.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div 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height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>The free Diet Coke in the West Wing was the highlight of my day.</p><p>I am not joking. I would sprint over from my office multiple times before lunch to refill. I was in charge of health policy for the President of the United States, and my sole hydration was a product I&#8217;ve since described as fridge cigarettes. (I have since written a whole article about this. It is embarrassing. <a href="https://www.katytalento.com/p/diet-coke-why-cant-i-quit-you">You should read it.</a>)</p><p>That is who the 600 Pound Down podcast invited onto their show.</p><p>Coaches Justin and George are leading a weight loss and wellness movement comprised of people doing the hard, unglamorous work of actually changing their lives &#8212; not the Instagram version, the real version. Blue collar workers, middle class families, people who&#8217;ve been failed by the system and are figuring out what to do about it.</p><p>They are not policy wonks. They are not DC insiders. They are exactly the kind of people I spent two decades in Washington wanting to help.</p><p>So when they asked me to come on and just... tell the truth? I did.</p><div id="youtube2-tTyC7U-eK2A" class="youtube-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;videoId&quot;:&quot;tTyC7U-eK2A&quot;,&quot;startTime&quot;:null,&quot;endTime&quot;:null}" data-component-name="Youtube2ToDOM"><div class="youtube-inner"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/tTyC7U-eK2A?rel=0&amp;autoplay=0&amp;showinfo=0&amp;enablejsapi=0" frameborder="0" loading="lazy" gesture="media" allow="autoplay; fullscreen" allowautoplay="true" allowfullscreen="true" width="728" height="409"></iframe></div></div><p>We covered a lot of ground; here are a few of the highlights: </p><h3>The medical cartel you&#8217;ve never heard of.</h3><p>The AAMC, the American Association of Medical Colleges, is the trade group for medical schools. Their entire business model depends on scarcity. </p><p>Fewer doctors = higher salaries. </p><p>They fight like hell against any effort to open new medical schools, diversify curricula, or let anything other than petroleum-based pharmaceutical products count as medicine.</p><p>This isn&#8217;t conspiracy theory. I was lobbied by these people. I watched them frame issues for my colleagues before anyone else could get in the room. That&#8217;s how the game is played.</p><p>The Rockefellers figured this out in the 1930s. They needed a profitable use for petroleum byproducts. They commissioned the Flexner Report, which conveniently declared that the only legitimate medicine was the kind that prescribed petroleum-based pharmaceuticals -  and formed state licensing boards to shut down every homeopathic, naturopathic, and osteopathic school that disagreed. The word &#8220;doctor&#8221; comes from the Latin for <em>teacher</em>, by the way. Not &#8220;prescriber of symptom-suppressing drugs.&#8221; Teacher.</p><p>We have been living inside that rebranding project ever since.</p><h3>The PBMs are the real bond villains. </h3><p>People assume the pharmaceutical manufacturers are the worst actors in this system. They&#8217;re not. They&#8217;re sub-demon tier. (A meaningful distinction.)</p><p>The real carnage is happening at the level of the middlemen - specifically the three PBMs that control 80% of the market: ExpressScripts, CVS Caremark, and OptumRx. Check your insurance card. If one of those logos is on it, your employer is being systematically robbed, and they probably don&#8217;t even know it.</p><p>In the Trump administration, a colleague of mine came in from the PBM industry to help us figure out how to lower drug prices. He put together a plan that would have cost the PBMs and pharmaceutical manufacturers real money.</p><p>He fell off a balcony in DC.</p><p>It was ruled a suicide. He had a family. Small kids. He was not miserable.</p><p>I&#8217;m not saying I know what happened. I&#8217;m saying nobody ever talked about it again.</p><h3>Your body is not attacking you. It&#8217;s trying to save you.</h3><p>We spent a long time on this one, because Justin and George&#8217;s audience lives it. The chronic pain, the infertility, the weight that won&#8217;t move no matter what.  They are not random &#8220;failures.&#8221; They are your body doing exactly what it was designed to do when it thinks you&#8217;re being chased by a bear.</p><p>The problem is that the bear is your Instagram account. Your boss. Your commute. The fluorescent lights you&#8217;ve been sitting under for eight hours while eating from a vending machine because there was nothing else and you didn&#8217;t have time anyway.</p><p>Your body is not safe to reproduce. Your body is not safe to digest or detox. Your body is running every non-essential process on minimal power until the threat passes.</p><p>The threat doesn&#8217;t pass. </p><p>When I was a teenager with debilitating period symptoms, no doctor ever said: <em>get more sleep, eat real food, reduce your stress, get outside.</em> They just handed me birth control, which suppressed my symptoms beautifully while everything causing those symptoms festered for another two decades.</p><p>By the time I was ready to have children, the damage was done - well&#8230; maybe, but that&#8217;s a story for <a href="https://thembeforeus.substack.com/cp/182001743">another time</a>.</p><p>I am not anti-medicine. I want to be very clear about that. If you have a bullet in your belly, there is nowhere on earth I would rather be than a U.S. operating room. Broken arm? Go.</p><p>But chronic disease -  the stuff that is killing us at scale, the stuff that half the country is now drowning in -  conventional medicine cannot cure that. It can suppress it. Manage the decline. Slow the bleeding. But it cannot teach your body to heal, because it was never trained to do that, and the cartel that controls its curricula has a vested interest in making sure it never is.</p><p><em>Nobody is coming to save you from this. Washington is not coming. Your doctor is not coming.</em> </p><p>They are working with the tools they have, inside a system designed to get paid <em>only</em> for those tools, and they mostly believe they&#8217;re doing the right thing.</p><p>You have to become the authority on your own body - and if you think about it honestly - <a href="https://www.katytalento.com/p/you-are-your-primary-care-provider">you already are. </a></p><p>Which is either terrifying or the most liberating thing you&#8217;ve heard all week. I&#8217;m told it depends on the person.</p><div><hr></div><p>If this kind of thing makes you furious (and it should), this is what we&#8217;re here for. Every piece I write is an attempt to hand you a weapon: something you can know, something you can do, some corner of this machine you can refuse to fund.</p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.katytalento.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Join the Revolution. 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A good match dramatically increases your likelihood of success with that type of practice. We also talk about the finances - what insurance covers, what your HSA secretly covers. How to spot red flags before you shell out too much.</p><p>Would love to know what you learn and which parts you find most helpful.</p><p>And thank you for being a paid subscriber. You&#8217;re the ones making AllBetter possible.</p><p>Katy</p>
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